Should Australia Day Change? Nudity in public, can you talk about your partner behind their back EP.9
0:00
if I say something how would that make the other person feel it would make them feel uncomfortable better not say having
0:06
your [ __ ] tits out makes me feel uncomfortable it puts me in a situation of like I'm now fighting my urges
0:15
like already canell already canell already canell good day good day hey everybody
0:24
hey hey make sure you are subscribing wherever you listen to us from YouTube or you listen to the podcast the
0:30
Instagram page make sure you hit And subscribe because it just makes us feel so good makes us feel special little bit
0:36
of a dopamine hit when we see those numbers go up yeah it's that too but it's also that selfish but the more we
0:41
get subscribers The more we can do and that's the best thing about it true hey do you guys use lip balm just I'm really
0:48
curious no no it's always bored off a cheek when I do do your lips get dry
0:53
they're dry right now yeah but I just use moisturizing cream and then just put a bit on my lips as well and then it
0:58
lasts the whole day you're fine M I don't think I've ever like moisturized I know I have but I can't
1:04
recall anytime I've moisturized wait what do you mean your face yeah wait hold on you don't moisturize at all yeah
1:11
but so that so that means that your body would produce its own moisture cuz if you're always moisturizing your your skin W need to produce moisture that's
1:18
true that's I feel like I have really good skin but I don't I've never done anything to it yeah you don't look dry
1:23
at all thank you and you know what's so weird yes claimed right he claimed that
1:28
everyone he meets or always says that his like Skin's really soft his hands are really soft I didn't believe him I
1:34
thought he was bullshitting right yeah you thought I was fully talking out of my ass it's every single time without
1:39
fail if I meet someone new yeah um n out of 10 times say his hands are soft they'll go oh my God your hands are so
1:45
soft at my party right the one that you didn't come to Ken he someone like met
1:51
him for the first time to a friend I introduced him to my friend first thing off the bat she grabbed his hand she
1:56
goes how's it so soft yeah yeah now he's got very soft hands he he it's it's like
2:02
he's almost sanding it every day he doesn't use moisturizer it like maybe that's what we all need to do would you
2:07
like to give it a touch any tips or tricks y to have soft hands oh they seem normal today uhhuh any tips or tricks
2:13
well I have an answer when everyone says how are they So Soft what do you say I just say I masturbate a lot it's just a
2:19
joke it's a joke I don't I don't I do but it's got nothing to do with the have so many regressive so would it would it
2:25
be right would it be right in saying that a man that has soft hands has a coarse pain
2:31
what how did you bring those two things together well because if he's doing what Y is saying that as a joke is the penis
2:38
is coar then the hand what mean like you know like sandpaper Co like it's rough
2:44
yeah oh so it's co because it's the friction that's consistently happening I think it's the fact that he doesn't use
2:50
moisturizer it's it's interesting constantly sending it down at one point
2:55
in your life you were going to have a thin [ __ ] hand yes I'm so I'm so glad ke's not a scientist I'll just say that
3:01
much cuz his experiments or his studies would be real weird yeah but it be the ones that progress Humanity that's what they would be right uh talk about
3:09
progress progression we've got a few things we're going to cover today Australia Day we're going to touch it in just a sec oh you happy Australia day
3:15
everyone yeah well for some people it's not so happy but yes it is the day today Australia day we'll be covering uh
3:21
something about nudity as well because I've there's I just yesterday I was with around a bunch around a bunch of kids
3:28
and one of them was nude and anyone I'll talk to you about it later and we'll do we'll do a I know just just leave it
3:34
leave it for leave it for when it comes up okay and Council Corner yes someone's written in this is a pretty heavy one
3:40
yeah I was a bit triggered by this I'm not going to lie I feel really bad for this person but anyway we'll okay so
3:46
Australia Day guys uh if you're a global listener if you're an Australian listener a quick recap of what how
3:52
Australia came to be I think it was 1770 Captain Cook from the English UK world
3:58
came over here on the fleet uh with a bunch of criminals uh what were they called um convicts convicts uh and they
4:06
put up a flag and said that this is now our land um and that marked forward the
4:12
country called Australia so just double checking Captain Cook came he found Australia he went back to Britain told
4:18
him about it and they were like well we've got an Ida so this is what happened there was a few other like there was like there was I think there
4:24
was a Dutch person that came a bit earlier to Tasmania but like there was a few
4:30
Tas like [ __ ] this is it even you know just a bit of context of what happened
4:36
on January 26 right cuz that's the day that Australia Day is celebrated there
4:41
were 11 convict ships uh from Great Britain they sailed into what's now uh Port Jackson in New South Wells anyway
4:48
they arrived Captain Arthur Phillip he uh made his way to Shaw he grabbed his
4:53
British flag or raised the British flag claiming the land in the name of King George III and that that's that's and
5:00
obviously that the devastation started after that essentially well that's what it is right so then then then came the
5:08
what you could be called genocide yeah 100% it's gen of the indigenous people it was cleansing cleansing of indigenous
5:14
people it was a very big cleanse of the indigenous people there was uh what what then turned into a something that we
5:20
call the stolen generation which where they took a lot of the uh indigenous children away and indoctrinated them
5:26
into this whole new world of um being white it it was literally teaching them to be
5:32
white and they removed them from their land and did all those things and this is why it's such a big topic every
5:38
single year on this day as to whether or not we should be celebrating this day as as a as because of the fact of this uh
5:45
cleanse that happened um now on one um argument side that are in favor of keeping the date um they say it
5:53
highlights the role of um or its role of modern tradition it's celebrating what Australia represents today uh and this
6:00
perspective sees it as a day to acknowledge the nation's achievement in prog and progress I have some thoughts on that which I'll tell you in a sec on
6:06
the other hand people that oppose this current date uh is is that it cannot be
6:12
separated from its historical context which marks a beginning of systematic oppression on indigenous peop of austral
6:19
it can't be yeah it was a start of policies and practices aimed to erase indigenous culture and led to Lasting
6:24
disparities in Health financial outcomes and higher incarceration rates of IND Australia so some people think that
6:31
changing the date is a step towards healing and moving forward together as a unified country yeah that's it my
6:38
question is how can you claim achievement and
6:44
progress with such intense murdering culling of of uh
6:51
indigenous people that were here for thousands of years 60,000 years with the indoctrination of
6:57
kids yeah what type of progress is that and Australia is not just full of white
7:03
people now we are full of so many different races and it's one of the most Multicultural countries in the world and all of the cultures that came here came
7:09
for a better life they didn't come here to remove people from their land so this is a thing how can we claim that it's
7:16
about progression and achievement when that has nothing to do with progression and achievement what has to do with
7:23
progression and achievement is the fact that we're all working together and created and built this country further
7:28
but see this is where it comes back well then if they didn't colonize will it be the country it is today and that's this
7:35
well no of course not if you look at you look at every every country that's been built up it comes from colonization yes
7:40
whether you like it or not that's history which [ __ ] sucks but that's literally history in every Western world
7:45
that exists right now every Powerhouse country that exists it started with colonization right um the past is the
7:52
past the present is the present the future is what we can only change right yeah and if if like obviously everyone
8:00
wants to be a part I mean we all identify as Australian us three especially and then everyone around the
8:05
world who live here in Australia they identify as Australian they want to celebrate not everyone around the world but I mean everyone living in Australia
8:11
is what I meant like you know they want to celebrate Australia and we are so Multicultural I just don't see what the
8:16
problem is and I know the debate of like you know we change the date then it's not really representing blah blah blah
8:22
blah blah but I think ultimately like if the context is when the First Fleet you
8:27
know arrived to Australia there will like 500 indigenous groups there were
8:33
750,000 people like thriving living in Australia and then by the 1900s there
8:39
was like I think they reduced by 90% yeah I think now that indigenous like
8:46
the indigenous population is the smallest population in Australia I've heard that somewhere I might be wrong but and every day when we celebrate on
8:53
the 26 there are these you know there groups of people who are just you're
8:58
celebr ating their genocide it's just it's not it doesn't sit well like it's
9:04
just not I don't think it's fair I think like if we change a day what's like I don't see what the big deal is I really don't the deal is that we are like
9:11
imagine imagine your people of Nisha you're very attached to your land to your country to your people right and
9:18
you see all these other people around you celebrating and waving a flag on the day that you mourn the day that you look
9:25
back and go this was the day that my people began to die there were 400 massacres from that date by the way from
9:32
when it started that's a day that you mourn you don't celebrate that day of course not as an indigenous person you
9:37
don't but then you see this entire country around you celebrating that day that's what I'm saying it's a bad thing
9:43
what do you mean it's a bad thing that's what I'm saying oh so wait wait wait she's saying she has what's the big deal of changing it Oh I thought you're
9:48
saying you don't send the big deal of wh on that day okay I was like jeez Aisha I'm so shocked from an Indian background
9:53
who got colonized by Britain I was like that's crazy think they should change it
9:58
actually come from countries that had the same thing happen in South Africa there was the Dutch and the English that
10:05
were just handing power back and forth to each other you instead of to it was a
10:10
big racial thing I mean we we all know the stories of that you've heard about the stories and the freedom of Nelson
10:15
Mandela whatever of course it's it's the same the same concept I'm not fully aware and across what the modern time is
10:21
now I haven't been there in a while but uh and I'm not sure what the if there's even a Republic of South African day I'm
10:26
sure there is and I'm sure it's representative to to because it's a republic to uh match um uh the the
10:35
progression and achievements of what it is now um and hopefully it is but here in Australia we're not there yet we're
10:41
still a commonwealth country we're still under that under that rule um I don't think we should be I think we should be
10:47
completely on our own a full Republic and we build our own thing and do our own thing I think that's the way that we can progress if you think differently
10:55
don't care it's very it's very similar to um what Americans face with Thanksgiving so Thanksgiving for um you
11:03
know the Americans that have eventually come to America and called it their home yes that's a day of celebration for them
11:08
but for the Native Indians it's not it's a day of morning so it's literally every country around the world has this
11:14
problem isn't that crazy yeah we all share the same problem on the on these specific maybe not every country but you
11:20
know a lot of the colonized yeah I think change the they it's very simple a very simple I agree
11:28
actually I don't think anyone actually gives a [ __ ] but it's like all right people give a [ __ ] no I'm talking about
11:35
the it's so hard but here's what I think right there are there is a very large
11:41
community of people for them that day is a day of morning yes they are upset on that day
11:48
they don't enjoy celebrating that day right I feel like they're willing to celebrate another day for what Australia
11:53
has become yeah yes right so if you change it it's like the ones that enjoy
11:59
it being on January 26th your life's really not changing nothing's changing in your mind you still have a day to
12:04
celebrate literally but the ones that don't enjoy it you can still have your countdown you can still be on the beach
12:12
your you still have your public holiday and that's essentially why people the people might don't even care all they
12:17
care about is oh public holiday sweet long weekend let's go down the coast or let's go somewhere and spend some
12:22
quality family time cuz that's obviously what's mattering matters right here and now not realizing the effects it has on
12:28
the broader Community around you yeah cuz there's nothing wrong to celebrate like I just want to put that out there
12:34
there's nothing wrong to celebrate there's nothing wrong about feeling patriotic having pride and feeling proud
12:39
of your country I think if anything that's good for society collectively to you know uh progress and grow and you
12:44
know develop but also it's not going to affect you if the day changes ultimately
12:51
that's the truth and why not have everyone celebrate and everyone be involved well it's a new Australia I
12:56
mean now Australia now is so many different cultures shouldn't we have the
13:02
voice as the younger generators as well shouldn't we have the voice to go hey let's let's unite and unify the country
13:09
and be accepting of everybody so it's not it doesn't it's not a morning day for people cuz how would you like again
13:16
yeah you're out there celebrating with your mates your family whatever and we know for a fact there are people
13:21
mourning this day while we are celebrating this day it shouldn't you should have a bit of remorse yeah rather
13:29
do it on a day where everyone's happy you should do you should have a bit of empathy like you know what the more I read cuz as we're talking I'm
13:34
researching things right how many aboriginals were killed 26th of January 1788 the the day of the settling where
13:40
where the rais the flag whatever there like 50 not a lot more than that so police and settlers hunted down Aboriginal families pursuing them for
13:47
kilometers across the country before gunning them down in Creek bed in northwest New South Wales uh official
13:53
records state that 40 men women and children were killed but other historians suggest that hundreds of
13:58
Originals were killed on that day jeez well it's messed up but we also know that why would they go and kill them it
14:05
doesn't make sense just to take their land it sounds like something that's happening right now in the middle of the bloody world but we don't have to touch
14:11
on that just yet yeah well that's what they that's what they did when they colonized it's like they claimed the land it's theirs now and anyone who's on
14:18
it and doesn't abide or is a threat and and basically are well that's what happens when a when a Powerhouse comes
14:24
with their with their guns and artillery and they've got these wey and and horseback and all of this stuff you've
14:31
got no chance you can't even fight back you can try you know I I was watching this is a complete change of topic but
14:38
it's similar but this just what it reminded me of is like I've I've been watching on on some streaming services
14:43
like what is it called Vikings or something like Anyway love that show yeah there's a few of them they've done
14:49
like spin-offs but like I can't believe I mean you hear about it when you read
14:54
about it and stuff like that and in school they touch upon it the Vikings were [ __ ] oh my gosh they they their
15:01
their entire don't get me wrong I'm not a historian here but from from what I hear their only goal was to terrorize
15:09
destroy and kill that's it that's all they did that's it Anda it's like genas Khan yeah he became the biggest
15:16
conqueror of all time because of the ruthlessness how many um dependence not dependence he had like, 1500 children
15:23
how much Offspring 1500 to 1700 children take that Nick Canon nothing nothing you
15:30
think Nick Canon's got a lot of kids he I think I think the the there was some sort of thing that came out saying that
15:35
he has now 17 to 20 million descendants 20 million descendants 16 million men
15:43
alone yeah there you go are are genealogical descendants of gangas KH 16
15:50
million men on this planet you're 100% one of them that's why you look IND Asian guaranteed you're probably one of
15:57
them too yes n look at these look at these round eyes brother hey could eyes brother no as could be something else
16:03
could be something else what could be a little paner I don't know it could be something
16:09
else who knows I've never seen it but anyway oh you just pissed off a whole
16:14
bunch now there's being that well you know what I'm not going to even get into it best not get this in
16:22
Melbourne recently the Captain Cook statue has been destroyed by activists
16:27
in Rage at attack against Australia Day the statue was swn off at the feet and then there was a graffiti written on
16:33
there the colony will fall oh that's in red that's a bit ter
16:38
terrorism Terror now I'm not saying that we should be doing that I think that's a that look you want to send a message I
16:44
get it people throw paint at Art I get that but yeah but I think I think just straight up off the bat I don't think
16:50
vandalism or terrorizing you know and and and acts of violence should ever be
16:56
condoned that's just my personal opinion on anything like I just I don't think it helps anyone but
17:02
that's how this country was built it ra it raises awareness yeah but two wrongs don't make a right I always go back to that and tip fortat isn't like I just
17:11
think your words are powerful and you get enough people to to fight a cause with their words we can see we all see
17:17
how social media works as well like having a voice using your platform there are a lot of benefits that can come from
17:22
just using your words I don't think at any point but at some point action needs to be taken not this action but action
17:28
needs to be taken at absolutely absolutely just what type of action is what well we don't have the answers to
17:34
what type of action we can only say how we feel and what we what I feel is that it wouldn't hurt to move it to another
17:39
date and my date suggestion I've always heard this from people is May 8th why
17:45
because if you sandwich those two words together it says mate and that's one of the biggest things that we say as Aussies we say mate that's the most
17:51
Australian thing I've ever heard and that's brilliant cuz it's Australia mate
17:56
may eight yeah people do think of mate when you think of Australia mate when did um I never say mate when did the uh
18:02
indigenous Australians get like you know proper equal rights in Australia I don't even think they still do have proper
18:08
equal rights of course they do what do you mean I don't I don't even I I wouldn't know it doesn't feel like it of
18:13
course you it doesn't feel like there was a Reconciliation I think in 2007 or
18:18
2008 I think was it Kevin that said sorry yeah but what the apology [ __ ] is
18:24
an apology yeah exactly that's action you got that the voice referendum yeah
18:31
but we all know what happened with that what happened what happened with the
18:36
voice the voice and it got rejected got rejected Reed obiously oh you made it
18:42
sound like there was some like snaky [ __ ] going on no no no no I'm saying it got rejected so obviously like once
18:47
again the same groups of people got affected by that and got hurt by that and then now we're still celebrating the
18:52
20 the 26 like I guess all these things keep happening and and there's no action
18:59
say that whole um that voice thing I was so certain with what I was going to vote
19:04
right which was vote yes that's what I was like I'm going in to vote Yes right the Aboriginal people deserve this the
19:11
indigenous Australians deserve this a change of Constitution and then on my Instagram feed all of these people that I follow
19:18
these indigenous Australians that I follow started saying vote no and I got so confused it was very confusing it was
19:25
50/50 and I'm like I don't know what to do now I ended up not voting sorry I ended up not voting cuz I was just so
19:31
confused I couldn't put pen to paper we can touch on that but that's such another that's a whole in depth thing because what what what Australia is now
19:38
is not just whites and Indigenous there's so many other cultures involved in Australia and so many other cultures that helped build Australia and that's
19:45
what people need to understand it's not just whes and Indigenous here now it's a huge Multicultural place and there's
19:50
other nationalities that literally laid the bricks did made the roads that
19:56
worked here and helped build this country for or their kids which happen to be us or our parents yeah so there's
20:02
a lot more involved to it a lot more nuances in that conversation but yes uh that was a big
20:07
breath in some yeah because it's just like that's that's very touchy and I'm like oh I'm not ready to go there just yet yeah no look I think I think it's a
20:14
consensus we all agree that the the date should be changed and I actually really like uh the eth cuz it says May May May
20:21
8th May 8th I think it's I feel it's a better day like a day where you know
20:26
it's a day of equality or something you think it should be years I don't know the dates May 8 it's just a lazy way to
20:32
like pick a date yeah but like how easy is it boom May 8 may I think it's a day where where I think it's a day where
20:39
indigenous Australians should be able to celebrate something as well yeah very simple simp something that they can celebrate as well saying okay well this
20:45
was the day that we got you know total freedom or this is the day where we got recognized as equals or whatever it is
20:50
right that's the day that they should be celebrating as well that we celebrate Australia that actually makes more sense
20:55
yeah oh we could just call May because it sounds like mate that's so Australian he has a point
21:03
yeah what other day is better I don't know um all right well let's let's let's move on uh yesterday this is this this
21:11
is going to sound weird yes I was I it's not it's can I just say something yeah
21:17
90% of what you say sounds weird true the amount of messes I get when you say sh they're like a keen is a devil
21:23
worshipper do you know how many times I get that text I'm the furthest from a devil worshiper by the
21:29
way but I love you I love the way you deliver things k please just do you thank you go as weed as you possi I
21:36
walked into my children's daycare yesterday to find my own daughter but
21:43
naked in the classroom and every other kid was
21:48
dressed she was just there butt naked swinging her nappy around you're kidding joke whatsoever was there Po in
21:55
the nappy no that would have been hilarious no no no no that would have been that would have been funny but no
22:01
so I walked in and I was like who what's going on here and then from across the room the Educators were yelling out I'm
22:07
so sorry I'm so sorry but they were busy dealing with uh other other kids and another parent I feel like a naked child
22:12
is quite a big thing to be dealing with so that's right maybe focus on that yeah but they they the one was in the toilet
22:18
changing another kid and the other one was dealing with a parent in an incident report and all those things and my kid
22:23
was there shoes on oh that's good no nappy no pants get the shoes off and
22:28
ready to take ready to take her shirt off and swing in the nappy at the same time now this is my 2-year-old daughter
22:34
lover her to death She's going through a phase of just nudity no but you know that's common I see so many kids go
22:41
through this phase yeah but this is the thing how does it reflect on you as a parent okay do I walk around the house
22:46
naked from time to time if I'm going to have a shower yeah okay I need to go get I need to go get the towel or whatever
22:52
I'm naked in the house line as well yeah in front of your children you walk naked
22:59
Weir but eeve oh my goodness this kid will take her nappy off like that and she will run away from you she does not
23:07
she she is a it's like we we go as far now to say that she is a Byron Bay kid a
23:13
Byron Bay a nud she's like a nud now I'm not sure how it connects to Baron Bay but it's a very free spirited area very
23:19
hippie fre spirited area yeah in uh in New South Wales Australia but uh yeah so
23:25
this is this is what I I wanted to dive into this because she's going through this phase yeah we all sort of went
23:30
through the nudity phase I'm sure I'm sure you guys you never went through a nudity phase I was going to say like I wanted to take it back to you and
23:38
Lorraine walking around the house naked yeah around the kids yeah I find that weird you find that weird I've never
23:45
seen I've never seen my parents naked there's a never in my life I've never seen my dad naked but it's very like
23:51
seeing my mom naked I've never seen my mom naked I've never seen my dad naked so I feel like maybe my household's the
23:57
weird one but that's not weird to me at all I mean okay once again every household's different but to me that's
24:02
not weird like I my mom birth me like it's not weird for me to be naked even
24:08
now my mom obviously my mom said me naked that's normal no but even at this age I wouldn't feel weird being naked in front of my mom I would definitely this
24:15
age there's a certain age where you need to stop being naked in front of I me obvious obviously like I'm not like
24:20
choosing to be naked but let's just say I like I go to a changing room my mom will come in with me in the changing
24:26
room and like if I'm trying so farun my mom that doesn't me no that's fine I'm talking about your mom being naked not
24:31
you being naked no but like if my mom like as a kid as a kid did you ever see your mom like yeah like I walk into the
24:37
she's having a shower I walk right into the bathroom I wouldn't care I guess girl girl is normal guy guy is not I
24:43
don't know I feel like I've just never seen my parents naked don't you guys go into changing rooms like after a gym and like you guys change and guys are naked
24:50
in changing room there's always that there's always that one 60y old guy with got a gut and he's got hanging low
24:56
swinging yeah yeah there's always that one guy no I try to cover up as much as I Poss what about the sauna isn't it
25:02
common that guys go naked in the S so like they put they put towels on but they well the S I use is a is women and
25:08
men both go in there never mind I've never never I guess I don't know if you go to a like a all men bath probably
25:15
yeah I don't know but I'll just anyway's continue well I just think I just think there's an age there's an age when you
25:20
got to stop being nude and and and around your kid of course why though why is it okay when they're younger but not
25:26
okay when they're older well I think I think because they start to understand nudity with as they get
25:33
older and why it's something that you don't do in public so yeah but wouldn't
25:38
that be but wouldn't that be um stemmed from you saying well you can't see me naked because it's wrong to see me naked
25:44
and then they all learn not to be naked yeah but imagine that like how am I going to stop my two and my four-year-old coming into the bathroom
25:50
and I'm having a shower say it's wrong to come into the bathroom it's private time yeah I guess so do you know what I
25:55
mean like maybe maybe Eve Eve's is getting naked because she sees her parents naked all time oh I think it's a bit different than that I think
26:01
[Music] she's she's swinging a nappy around and doing all these things in that school maybe it could it could be as you could
26:07
be wrong you know what I'm saying I just think I okay look I see what Ken's point is is like at some point maybe you teach
26:13
them because in public it's different right but I think at home like it's fine it's not a big deal I'm just saying like
26:19
from from me being a child and growing up I always thought nudity was a very big no no always from a child all the
26:25
way to like now it's like no yeah but I think and I think that
26:31
like you got to introduce them to what your body parts are and and and train and teach and and
26:39
give them the understanding of why it's important that there's a a boundary respected there and I know that it
26:45
doesn't make sense cuz I'm nude but like my daughter my daughter my daughters know what they have and they know what I
26:53
have yes as in our our private parts they know what it's called and they they know the actual names it's a vagina it's
26:59
a penis know the names of them because in in my understanding of it is that and
27:05
and Lorraine we both agreed that we wanted to teach them that young because if anything God forbid ever happened
27:11
where it was violated they' understand they'd understand that it's wrong yes and they'd understand that um they can
27:17
they can actually explain it to us yes they touched my vagina so we don't use
27:22
nicknames we don't use we don't make her feel or make them feel as if a problem
27:29
um uh talking about it uh addressing things about it uh in any way because
27:35
because it when or anything secretive about it yes so they feel comfortable to
27:40
talk about it they know how to address the situation that psychology into a young person is very very important
27:47
because oh mate like the stories I I've heard the direct experiences I've had
27:53
it's just it's just you you have to a Scary World out there you have to
27:58
and and it yeah and you've heard so many anyway we don't even want to go into the stories but we've heard so many stories
28:03
about things that happen in daycare or happen at family houses or next door neighbors we know that exists so that's
28:09
why I think it's important that they are educated from from as soon as they can understand and soon as they ask questions you don't go out of your way
28:16
you answer the questions when they ask the questions yeah of course of course but that's what I think is important but then then it's like okay well nudity as
28:22
a kid is obviously different to nudity as an adult for example nudity nudity on
28:27
a beach are we are we are we how do we feel when we go to a beach and
28:32
especially like you know in Europe Europe Anisha you've been there before gosh there's and even at Bondi Beach in
28:38
Australia there are breasts out in Europe whenever they whenever it happens
28:44
we went to the beach in Europe right like where where about in Europe Europe is a big big place s Sor I went to Portugal right and we went to like
28:50
different areas like Lisbon and all of that and and we we went to uh a few beaches actually and I forget where was
28:58
which beach it was particularly but we went to one and I remember and it wasn't a nudest beach but women obviously it's
29:04
very common for them to just like lay on the beach with their with their you know boobs out and whatever I'm like I'm very
29:11
conservative so me going I mean I wear board shorts to the beach right like I feel comfortable just you know with
29:17
board shorts I know that's another story for another time I have to stop there for one second I don't even want to touch on this topic again we've done it
29:24
before I know we've talked about this before but I still get shocked at the fact that you wear board shorts it's
29:29
very like we get it's tomboy very tomboy no it's not not trying to be tomboy I just I don't feel comfortable wearing
29:37
are they are they the three4 ones I no no they're like they're short that's what I'm thinking all I think about is
29:43
her is is that and then fat tongue uh skater shoes that's what I think she wear do you wear thongs to the beach
29:50
like uh thongs being sandals sandals flops yeah flip flops to the beach why wouldn't you have flipflops to the beach
29:56
okay just want to make sure so it's not that it's oh no yeah I'm not wearing like socks to the beach I'm not weird wearing you know I've seen a lot of your
30:02
people okay let me paint you a picture let me let me true I need to give you some context here so growing up right
30:10
when we would very rarely go to the beach for a sightseeing occasion with a family and we had like our family
30:16
friends there you know and I'm is the beach sightseeing for you yes for like so Punjabi growing up in Punjabi par
30:25
family and stuff like just like Indian communities that we we all go together
30:30
like who I call Auntie and Uncle but we're not blood related but like they're just family friends essentially would all go together to the beach and you
30:37
know a lot of the time parents just want to go there and just to eat food and just like look at the water and obviously the kids want to go in there
30:43
was one occasion that is like imprinted in my head where the the aunties decided
30:49
to go into the beach together and so did the uncles we all decided to go and they all went fully clothed into the beach
30:56
and I was like oh that's how you go inside the beach and I I still remember like all the aunties like holding hands
31:02
in a circle all fully clothed and we're just like were they doing ceremony or something that seems like a very
31:08
ceremonial thing it seemed like it and we're going around they're like beach time and I ever since like growing up
31:14
like that wearing a bikini which is fine cuz I do wear a bikini going to the beach I just can't go in a full bikini
31:21
like I wear a bikini but I have to wear board shorts cuz I feel more comfortable that way and and that's good it's about
31:28
you feeling comfortable and if we find the humor in that I feel like that's fair as well
31:35
we're in a country where girls are are comfortable to to wear B you can wear whatever you want whatever you feel
31:41
comfortable yeah exactly but anyway I went to Europe and I saw all these women with their boobs out and I couldn't help
31:48
like you know obviously like I'm trying to be respectful and and and and just not look but I can't help yeah NE
31:55
neither I I'm try my best that but it's just it's like they're just out and I
32:00
get it they want to get the perfect tan and you know it is what it is you know what there's a question for you actually
32:06
what is it wrong to look I mean yeah well we were taught as
32:11
kids not to we were taught as kids it's a secretive it's Taboo it's all these things so of course you're going to do the opposite as you get older no okay
32:18
hold on is it wrong to look like obviously your eyes are going to go there cuz they're everywhere and you're
32:24
okay yeah tits but if you're like staring like you know there's something wrong with that no but like okay jail
32:30
time I'm at Bondi Beach all right a lot of titties out at Bondi Beach yeah there's a lot in Bondi Beach there's a lot of confident women there love it so
32:37
as as I'm walking down to the water right I look to my left there's a chick
32:42
with a Sunny's on sitting on her back or laying on her back yeah her titties are out she's spent 20 grand on them they're
32:48
[ __ ] out and about yeah can I just go and then keep walking really weird
32:55
but they're out they're out but they're out in public it's like me going up oh my God I love your shirt yeah oh my God
33:02
I love your tits out there say that again no but look I think it's weird I
33:08
think it's weird if you sexualize sexualize if you're looking at
33:13
them like oh that those are a great set of breasts that can help feed a kid is that okay like if you look without
33:21
without sexualizing it because that's then that's completely anti that's it's a feeding you you literally give life to
33:27
your kid with breasts all right so I think the best way to think about it is if I say something how would that make the other person feel it would make them
33:34
feel uncomfortable better not having your [ __ ] tits out makes me feel uncomfortable it puts me in a situation
33:40
of like I'm now fighting my urges like why is it your comfortability over mine
33:45
but I'm not saying if you see them like you obviously they're out you're going to look at them like you see them that's
33:50
fair but if you're steering it's a very different thing I'm not staring I'm just walking past and I do a double take I go
33:56
oh hey and then as K would say I'd go excuse me do you have any children and then she'd be like No And I'd be like that's a
34:02
shame and then I'd keep walking that's so weird I'm not sexualizing it I'm just saying like they're great they're great
34:08
baby Fe just so everyone knows just to clarify I I don't do I don't go ask girls if they have children I don't you
34:15
said don't sexualize it no I just said but my question was if you don't sexualize it doesn't make it okay that was my question no it doesn't because
34:22
once again like you're not going to go up to someone uh I don't know who's like
34:28
just standing there and make a comment about them like oh your your tummy looks
34:34
blah blah blah cuz you know that would make them feel uncomfortable like it's objectifying it's objectifying yeah so you just you don't do that cuz you know
34:40
I won't say anything then but the question is is it wrong to but also how far this
34:45
is another question how far of distance do you need to be away for it to be not in appropriate that's just become
34:52
stalkerish I feel like the closer you are the better well like not face to
34:58
face okay okay so there's a buffer zone you can't be too close and you can't be too far I think I think you I think the
35:05
2C rule is that's what it is two two rule yeah well I I think that makes sense like you see it 1 Second Look Away
35:12
keep going I'm happy with two seconds I can he says yes mental snaps no but I'm I'm sure I'm
35:21
sure I'm like I'm sure that people that are comfortable and confident enough to
35:28
let them out understand that it's a magnet for eyes I'm sure they understand
35:33
that like you can't you can't be offended like how can I like if even when I take my shirt off as a man I know
35:39
or not know but I have essentially this uh self-conscious thing that okay people
35:44
are going to look at my body and they're going to judge my body yeah of course noral human behavior so then obviously
35:49
you go through is a good enough whatever but put all that aside you're going to you're going to look at people's bodies
35:55
as you walk past because it's just there and you don't it's it's very it's only like in summer when you get to see it so
36:01
it's not like it's something you see every day so like okay they look and they go okay well he hasn't got no pecs
36:06
and his nipples are small and I'm like oh okay well I do have pecs and my nipples
36:13
my nipples are about medium size maybe maybe small I don't know no don't I was going to ask I you
36:19
know what I have how many hairs do you have in your chest barely any I haven't I've got one long hair on my chest no B
36:24
you got a bit more than that don't you just plug it off no oh it's the only thing that says I'm a man can I just say
36:30
me and you we're pretty hairless pretty hairless how much hair do you have in
36:35
your chest I choose not to talk about you know we talking about uncomfortable
36:41
questions okay so uh yes uh there is a big difference between kids nudity and
36:46
adult n so what are you going to do what are you going to do about E's uh nudest Behavior it's a it's a phase uh we just
36:52
we just we just guide her towards keeping her clothes on what if she just refuses I'm just curious what if she
36:58
refuses if she turns 10 then turns 15 and she's like I I like my nudest body I like being nude oh we just address it
37:05
when the time comes cross that bridge when we when when we get to it she just feels free I feel like has to put so
37:11
many fires out as a father like every day with like things that happen that I totally understand you saying we'll
37:17
cross that bridge when it arrives yeah it's just like why am I dealing with anything in the future [ __ ] to deal with
37:23
I think that's any adult with anything in their life yeah that's true um Council Corner came through um this one
37:29
you need to make sure you're here for it this is something that has really triggered me it triggered me too so I'm
37:36
going to read it out it's from ebony uh she goes hey my hubbies were Christmas
37:41
party for the first time Partners were invited to come along to I thought it was always common for partners to be invited anyway however I found out my
37:47
husband's been sharing uh private issues with others when one of his colleagues mentioned something that only my husband
37:54
and I would know about when I confronted my husband hband he didn't seem to care and said I was overreacting this has
38:00
really shaken me I want to know if I am overreacting I personally feel like you should never talk to others about what happens in your relationship looking for
38:07
some guidance Ebony Ebony Ebony so it's obviously something negative right well
38:12
yeah but like also straight off the bat because I have been in instances where
38:19
I've like at work or wherever where I've been talking to people and they've talked about their Partners not in the
38:25
best way uh and they've shared things that are very personal in their
38:30
relationship things that you wouldn't just expect someone to talk about and I always think how would your partner feel
38:36
about that so in Ebony's case uh you are definitely not overreacting me personally I don't think you're
38:41
overreacting I think that your husband is under reacting is under reacting and shouldn't be talking about your personal
38:48
things behind clo like what happens behind closed doors ultimately no one should be talking about the relationship you
38:54
should always think about what your partner you can you can like notify your close um colleagues that hey I'm not
39:01
feeling well I've just had a little bit of trouble that I'm dealing with or something at home so maybe I'm not in that frame of mind to really have a
39:08
great day with you today like you can notify that but you don't go into detail definitely that is the biggest like and
39:15
even for the workplace that is the most one of the most toxic things that I feel someone can do if if it's what I think
39:21
he's doing like speaking about fights or speaking about problems or issues or down gring his partner I don't know if
39:27
they have kids or whatever I think that is the that is the the most um
39:32
disgusting thing a man can do or a partner in general can do can do to
39:39
their own relationship and to themselves is to go and degrade or speak about personal [ __ ] to workmates like work
39:48
like friends I can kind of get if the friends know each other but not in that much detail like you just it's it's more
39:55
about how you're feel feeling hey I'm just feeling like this that is as far as you would go you would never go into
40:01
detail and if any guy or girl is doing that to their relationship you need to actually question whether or not you
40:06
were meant to be with each other yeah yeah I've got I've got a story for you guys oh so um an ex partner from a very
40:13
long time ago oh this is so [ __ ] up so she liked she enjoyed sharing um issues
40:21
in the relationship with other people but not only did she share issues she made [ __ ] up right
40:27
just to get a reaction and play victim right and appar she was this for a very very long time now listen to this she
40:32
went she used to go to this Cafe every single morning right get her coffee done and then you know as a barista you make
40:38
coffee you talk to the people that are coming in whatever blah blah blah um little did she know that there was a guy
40:45
that started working there as a kitchen hand right he was a friend of mine she went in that day and started
40:52
talking about what happened the day before we got into a little bit of an argument blah blah blah blah whatever she did she know that you were friends
40:59
with him no no this guy was just like overhearing the conversation but he saw her and he's like oh I know her I go say
41:04
hi to her but I'm working so I can't really say anything right so then she overhears this conversation with my ex partner well my girlfriend at the time
41:10
to the Barista and then she goes oh you won't believe what happened yesterday right so
41:17
she starts talking [ __ ] all right yeah we did have an argument we did we did it's normal in relationships right yeah of
41:23
course she tells him I kicked her out of the house locked the door and then when
41:29
she wouldn't leave listen to this [ __ ] up [ __ ] that I got in my car and tried to run her over that's actually [ __ ]
41:37
that's actually [ __ ] I swear my mom's life and I confronted her about it and that was the day we broke up but it is
41:44
so [ __ ] disgusting and so wrong and it's such a not just a red flag but like
41:49
a disgusting trait to having a relationship right especially when you're fabricating stuff but even if it's not fabricated every relationship
41:56
has it issues and it's something that should be sorted out between the two people if you're not if you're not confident enough in your own
42:02
relationship to speak to your partner about problems and keep it between
42:07
yourselves you're a [ __ ] you're a piece of [ __ ] and you you don't deserve anyone Sor you exactly like in any circumstance
42:15
if I'm ever talking to my friends or anybody and it doesn't have to be about like anything it could it could be just
42:20
something that happened the other day that's not even a serious issue or whatever I always think would Jared
42:25
become comtable about me sharing this or would he not or would I be comfortable with Jared sharing this what you should
42:31
be exactly never never paint your partner in a in a bad life never you have to like in order for
42:38
any relationship to work you need to have each other's back you need to protect each other unless there is some
42:45
life-threatening really bad [ __ ] going on in the relationship of course I mean it make you have to if you need help
42:51
that's a whole different story we're talking about your normal bittering and and and you know sometimes I'm sick of
42:57
her not doing this and I'm sick of him not doing that and some sometimes sometimes in relationships when when
43:02
you're both seeing red certain things is said and it can hurt each other's feelings right A lot of it is normal a
43:08
lot of it is normal right but you know what's worse than talking to your friends in work colleagues when they go
43:13
back to their parents I find that to be one of the worst things ever cuz you got to remember something right in everyone's mind in every single person's
43:20
mind that you've ever met there's a different version of you right and one
43:25
of the worst things is that's the weirdest concept it's crazy but it's true yeah depending on on how someone
43:31
sees you from word of mouth or from how you've treated them it's a different version of you one person will say you're an angel the other person will
43:37
tell them you're a [ __ ] devil right oh God and like all your friends think that about me anyway maybe on oh no
43:43
devil worshipper oh it's different not the devil they're not that bad um no because I actually in my in my last
43:49
relation [ __ ] I've had a lot of relationships um we had like this little like bickering moment and we both got very upset anyway the first person she
43:56
went to was her mom and told her what happened and I was like and afterwards when we like rekindled I was like babe you can't like go to your family members
44:03
and tell them about issues that we have unless it's like a very serious issue like you said like you know something really really bad well it's not that she
44:09
can't it's that you would appreciate it just stay with you yeah because because here's the thing right how much do you
44:14
share about the good things with your mom about me well you don't need to you don't because you're enjoying them you don't did you did you tell your mom that
44:21
I made you breakfast in bed today no you [ __ ] didn't did you tell her that I randomly get you flowers once every two
44:26
weeks just when I feel like it no you don't but the second we have an argument you call your mom crying you can't do
44:32
that we can fix this ourself I feel like having a relationship you need to deal
44:37
with it together I think I just want to say I think there's some instances like
44:42
and I get it where some like you know you might be in a relationship and you have a best friend and you need some
44:47
guidance and you need to reach out but it's the way you paint your partner like a picture you paint them and if you need guidance totally reach out you need to
44:54
do that you need to talk to your mom understandable but there's a way of saying oh this happened XYZ what do you
45:02
think as opposed to he's a piece of [ __ ] you know so there's there's two different contexts here just to keep in
45:07
mind and be cognizant of that imagine what your best friend would say like realistic like oh my God he made me cry like you know he wanted to go hang out
45:13
with the boys and and like we had we had plans but you know he forgot about but he just left and he didn't say anything
45:19
he's like I'll see when I get back and it was so bad and then what does your friend say what does your friend say what a [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] you deserve
45:25
so much [ __ ] better babe there's better out there like that's what they're going to respond with that's not that's but you know but that's not everyone I I remember seeing a clip and
45:32
I I think it's from uh pbd like it was it was such a interesting thing and he was saying like basically he was with
45:39
someone or he's talking about a partner I don't know if with him might be wrong but what he was essentially saying in a nutshell was that it's so important when
45:47
you have uh with you you know your significant other that the people who
45:52
were around you like the five people that circulate you could be your parent your friends whatever that they should
45:57
be fighting for the other person that's how that's interesting I heard that too actually yeah so like when like so let's
46:04
just say in this instance Ken and Lorraine right if Ken goes to his friends they should be saying no think
46:10
about Lorraine XY Z and Lorraine's friend should be like no think about Ken because that that's them benefiting your
46:17
relationship and they actually care for your relationship as opposed to you should leave him as a piece of [ __ ] but no no no just think about X Y just be
46:23
mindful of what guidance you're getting as well and how it it's all this stuff is an exchange of of uh and as weird as
46:30
it's going to sound and I know you guys might make a comment but it is all an exchange of spiritual energy and and and
46:35
it and the energy that you want to get from your friends is always positive energy that's going to encourage you to
46:41
progress and if that and and if they encourage you to progress in a way that is better for yourself and for your
46:47
relationship yes and if they you would know though when it's not working in your relationship unless you're completely so so completely blinded by
46:54
love uh like you would know there's one thing that I think to to and you want friends to be honest too like you
46:59
shouldn't just have friends being like no just K's right like you should be like oh this seems wrong of course I'm not saying that but like your point is
47:07
it's the energy thing you want people who are actually there for the right reasons and uh it's also your job to not
47:13
paint your partner in like such a terrible light if it's not a serious issue obviously uh to ensure that your
47:19
friends are giving you the right advice as well there both ways the the the the one thing to always remember is when you're in a relationship you are one it
47:25
is two people coming together as one it's a unification so if that unification is not unified if you guys
47:33
aren't unify together and sorting out your life problems and living your best life together it's not going to work and
47:40
going outside the relationship to get guidance is it's fair and it's fine but
47:46
doing it at the expense of your relationship and yourself cuz it's low for yourself if you're going out and
47:51
bitching about your partner as opposed to going out and asking for advice to how to be better with your your partner it's about how you position to get your
47:58
guidance uh then there's no point being together it comes as a unification ebony I think honestly and I'm speaking for
48:04
the other two here but tell me if I'm wrong in in assuming this but I do think that in this situation you're not
48:10
overreacting obviously you have spoken to him and he's saying that you are overreacting I think you need to have another conversation and if he doesn't
48:16
take it seriously then obviously he doesn't one care about your feelings and your opinions uh and he's not respecting
48:24
your boundaries so ultimately that's a red flag to me but I think have another
48:29
conversation set your boundaries out set a list and say I'm not comfortable with XY and Zed and if he loves you he should
48:35
respect it agreed there you go well thank you so much for listening everyone uh make sure you hit subscribe uh join
48:40
us as we continue every day as many days as we can a week uh at the moment six days a week we're getting these episodes
48:46
out for you so hit subscribe make sure you're listening hit us up on our Instagram as well @ kenas of NAA YouTube
48:52
already cancelled uh we are here for you for anything that you need but have a great day and we'll chat to you next
48:57
time see you guys bye by already
49:03
cancelled if you like the podcast prove it like share and subscribe and don't
49:09
forget to leave us a cheeky review